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U2 - American Soul
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Songs Of Experience (2017)
  1. Originally posted by Bloodraven:It's not really a mix of Glastonbury and Volcano, is more like Glastonbury's final version.

    Volcano takes bits of Glastonbury, like The Fly took parts of Spinning Head, it's a lot more subtle.

    On the other hand, Glastonbury-American Soul are like Native Son--> Vertigo, or Saturday Night --> Fire. It's clearly the same song just in early/evolved version.
    Yeah, but again, U2 already released Volcano, contrary to the other songs you mentioned (at the time). Implicitly, this still sends the message to some of us that they were not happy with the final results in SOI. They can rationalize it all they want, but stills feels lame and insecure.
  2. Recognizing the degree to which this song tells fans that U2 were unhappy with SOI, imagine the message the band is trying to send by disregarding the very existence of Pop?
  3. Also, fan logic at its finest.

    "SOI was so bad, U2 should be ashamed to release that."
    "U2 trying to tell us they were unhappy with SOI by releasing a reworked version of a track, they must be so lame and insecure."

    I don't think you get to criticize someone, then call them insecure when they respond to your criticism.
  4. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    Yeah, but again, U2 already released Volcano, contrary to the other songs you mentioned (at the time). Implicitly, this still sends the message to some of us that they were not happy with the final results in SOI. They can rationalize it all they want, but stills feels lame and insecure.
    This can be a long debate, often going in circles.

    Lady With The Spinning Head was released officially (twice) at the same time that Achtung Baby. But Glastonbury was not released officially when SOI came out.

    To me, that means that they were unhappy with Glastonbury, not with Volcano.
    What I read from that, is that they had both songs, Volcano was ready, while Glastonbury was still a work in progress; they even hesitated to release Volcano without having Glastonbury (which probably was their favorite of the two) on point -hence the last minute addition of Volcano into SOI.

    In the end they released the song they had ready, and kept working in the original one, until it was ready and ended up being American Soul.

    That's my take on it, not really a rationalization.
  5. I'm not sure if that says that they are insecure about SOI.

    It's just weird to literally reuse a part of your old song from your previous record, in your follow up record. And not just referencing it one time. It's the CHORUS.

    Doesn't Bono always say U2 songs are never finished
  6. Originally posted by blink:I'm not sure if that says that they are insecure about SOI.

    It's just weird to literally reuse a part of your old song from your previous record, in your follow up record. And not just referencing it one time. It's the CHORUS.

    Doesn't Bono always say U2 songs are never finished
    But you agree it's weird, right? It's not a super brilliant, original and grandiose statement from them.
  7. It's ridiculous how hung up people are about the volcano echo. Such daft logic to draw some conclusion that the band are insecure. In fact if anything, it suggests the opposite.
  8. Yes for sure, I'm a bit puzzled by it haha. I hope the band will clarify soon
  9. Originally posted by TheRefugee:It's ridiculous how hung up people are about the volcano echo. Such daft logic to draw some conclusion that the band are insecure. In fact if anything, it suggests the opposite.
    Ok, I take it back, it's not an insecure gesture. It's just lame and cheap.
    Can we stop it with the Inquisition here?
  10. Why is it ridiculous though? It's never really happened before in this band (unless I'm remembering incorrectly), so there's no other situation to base the reaction off of. If anything, this simply shows how many U2 fans feel about this sort of thing.

    Personally a little nod like the one to Slug in This is Where You Can Reach Me Now is pretty cool, since it's not a completely lifted section of that song. This is a little more interesting (and I don't mean that positively or negatively) as it definitely uses something substantial.

    I also think the sheer amount of critics on this should speak for itself in terms of it having any validity. You can't say "it's nothing" if a ton of others disagree lol. This isn't like one guy saying that Streets live is his least favourite track, this is a huge chunk of the fanbase from what I can tell. Just read around here, the youtube comments of the lyric video, etc.
  11. Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:Why is it ridiculous though? It's never really happened before in this band (unless I'm remembering incorrectly), so there's no other situation to base the reaction off of. If anything, this simply shows how many U2 fans feel about this sort of thing.

    Personally a little nod like the one to Slug in This is Where You Can Reach Me Now is pretty cool, since it's not a completely lifted section of that song. This is a little more interesting (and I don't mean that positively or negatively) as it definitely uses something substantial.
    Slug and TIWYCRMN?
  12. Listen to the intro of This Is Where (that acronym tho) and it's the exact same synth as the one that makes up most of Slug.

    Or I guess it might be more of a percussive thing than a synth (drum machine?) but yeah.