1. Originally posted by mattfromcanada:I wanted to write an emotional off the cuff topic in response to a lot of the chatter I see. Remember, U2 has always been a band that does what they want to do, not what the masses want. That's one of the things that has made them great, and has become a double-edged sword for the passionate fans. If they kept doing what we want them to (ie. finally play Acrobat, Drowning Man, do a Pop reunion, close EVERY show with '40') then they would just become more white noise (i.e. what passes for popular music these days) rather than always pushing themselves. Look what happened when they walked away from TJT....Achtung Baby. Yes, sometimes they'll fall short of their own expectations and that of a lot of their audience, but that's okay. We all have different ideas of what's great. I for one do not see the big draw to 'Moment Of Surrender', I feel that RHMT was better as a gem that they've never played, and though I tire of hearing 'Pride' on my own, when you are present at a concert and it's played, it does stir something. I feel that SOI as a whole is better than each part (consider the title) and hope for the same from SOE. I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it (haven't heard GOOYOW and AS, and only gave Blackout / Best Thing a single listen). I'd rather listen to it as a collection. So yes, SOE and the subsequent tour may disappoint. But if you go into it with that, it will be a self fulfilling prophesy. So lower your guard, and see what happens. Maybe the songs will hit you, maybe they won't. But they may in a few years, in 10 years, after your dad dies, when your son goes to college, when you lose your job, when you feel God is laughing at you, or when your first child is born. But don't for a second wish for U2 to follow what the masses are telling them to do. That would be a shame.
    My feelings exactly. How odd to be defending a record before it comes out!
  2. Originally posted by TheRefugee:It's worth going back to U2's interview with Dave Fanning around the time Joshua Tree was released. Bono says "I don't want U2 to be an elitest thing". He talks about houswives at home listening to Still Haven't Found, etc. Check it out. U2, going way back, wanted to appeal to the masses, to be big, etc. Nothing at all new or recent about this approach. Wish I could find a link to the interview.
    Whenever the "appealing to the masses vs experimenting" discussion comes to the table, I always think about this interview which is like a Bible to understand U2's point of view on this subject:
    We need to talk

    We never wanted to be a garage band. We wanted to get as quick as we could out of the garage. The people who say they like the garage usually have two or three cars parked outside. Rock music is niche. We want people who aren't in our niche listening to our music. If you pour your life into songs, you want them to be heard.


    Because songs demand to be heard. "Vertigo," which you didn't like, is deceptively simple. That riff, you can think, "Aw yeah, another rock song." It doesn't become great the first time you hear it. It becomes great the thousandth time you hear it. And that's true of a lot of rock riffs. So we have to get the density of exposure for that to be a hit.


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    (Either way, I think Matt's point right despite using that phrase)
  3. Originally posted by Bloodraven:[..]
    Whenever the "appealing to the masses vs experimenting" discussion comes to the table, I always think about this interview which is like a Bible to understand U2's point of view on this subject:
    We need to talk

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    (Either way, I think Matt's point right despite using that phrase)
    Thank you for that interview, a lot of stuff now makes more sense. I'd highly recommend reading this, especially the parts about Pop and such
  4. "U2 has always been a band that does what they want to do, not what the masses want"

    JT30 contract obligation?
  5. Something or somethings have changed. Not every change this band has made has been for the good. Why is U2's new music (last 3 albums) not as popular as most 80s 90s and early 2000s?
  6. Originally posted by dieder:[..]
    Thank you for that interview, a lot of stuff now makes more sense. I'd highly recommend reading this, especially the parts about Pop and such
    Good stuff in that article, but I'll be honest, I still stand behind my original post. Yes they've wanted to appeal to the masses, but I don't think they've ever put out anything solely for that purpose. Critics and some fans will say to that 'then why aren't they playing Pop' and the answer to me is in this article

    "Instead it became a niche record. " Some love, others not so much. It seems that it served it's purpose to the band at that time, and they're comfortable with it in its place.

    The iPod commercial - I think it was more about embracing the direction of where music was going and trying get excited about that (spoiler alert, they were right)

    Superbowl Halftime? Maybe that had more to do with a feeling in the world (i.e. immediately post 9/11) and what place music can have in that. And as he said, it was their Ed Sullivan moment...would you deny them that?

    And a great nugget in that interview

    "We were offered $23 million for just the music to "Where the Streets Have No Name.”

    That could have been as Bono said a great opportunity to do some good. But they didn't take it. Spoiler again, they were right.

    And on recent tours so far into their career (Elevation, Vertigo, 360 (early legs) and I+E) who else could pull of 6-7 new songs with such polish and receptiveness? Yes some of NLOTH was dropped on later legs, but unreleased material found its way in too (plus give them a break, the man nearly broke his back).

    As for the JT30 tour, they've again and again said that they felt it was fresh and it seemed reminiscent of the days when it was written. Maybe they were telling the truth. Maybe it was contractually obligated. Or maybe, they wanted to give a gift to their true fans becauseI still don't think even that tour was 'appealing to the masses' as at a given show of 50,000 fans, I guarantee than 48,000 of them did not know that RHMT had never been performed. And we knew how wonderful it was to see 'Exit', 'OTH', and 'MOTD'. Most people were probably updating their Twitter or Snapchat, or getting a drink. So the 2,000 of us that were plugged in truly knew it was a gem. That's hardly 'the masses'.
  7. Originally posted by amansman:[..]
    Something or somethings have changed. Not every change this band has made has been for the good. Why is U2's new music (last 3 albums) not as popular as most 80s 90s and early 2000s?
    Do they want to be popular, or do they want to be good? The two aren't mutually exclusive (did I use that correctly ) . As I said in my OP, SOI is better as a whole, and I feel that NLOTH is too. I'm hoping for the same for SOE.
  8. Originally posted by Bloodraven:[..]
    I'd love to be around when you hear this combo for the first time... based on the way you seem to feel about U2, I think you will totally love it.


    BTW, you didn't heard The Little Things from the JT30 shows, neither? Cause that one is even better...


    No I was at Toronto and Little Things wasn't played. Haven't listened to many Bootlegs either. But I do have a copy on vinyl reserved at my local store, and we'll see what the experience is like (no pun intended )
  9. Originally posted by mattfromcanada:[..]
    Do they want to be popular, or do they want to be good? The two aren't mutually exclusive (did I use that correctly ) . As I said in my OP, SOI is better as a whole, and I feel that NLOTH is too. I'm hoping for the same for SOE.
    I didnt ask that Matt. I agree that being good and popular arent mutually exclusive. I think they are directly related. U2 is more worried about being popular than good. How can I say that? No guitar solos in American Soul and Blackout, the mix on every song is keyboard and bass heavy, and they use a popular rapper to do monologues. And why do so many songs have different versions? Its like they are seeing if one will stick instead of going with what version is the best they could do. I mean how many versions of YTBTAM are there? If someone said "I dont know any of their songs," I wouldnt reference these last albums as something to check out.
  10. It's all written in the Bono's face lines
    When you look so good the pain on Your face doesn't show