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tui
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Casper that is one freaky coincidence.. im a little bit scared right now 
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tui
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Not bad
Never seen it in cats myself, but I guess it's possible (technically).
The tests you mention can indicate it but to definitively diagnose you need to do an ACTH stimulation test or a low-dose dexamethasone suppression test.
I can't remember for horses (but I think it's the same....) but the treatment I use is trilostane (trade name Vetoryl here) which suppresses the adrenal gland. Adrenalectomy is not an option here.
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So for horses Adrenalectomy is not an option? so.. if the case is quite serious and the Vertoryl doesnt work what can you do? (im thinking the worse but is there another option?)
ACTH stimulation test and dexamethasone suppresion? care to elaborate more?
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djrlewis
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Originally posted by tui:
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[..]So for horses Adrenalectomy is not an option?
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Horse die of a bad cold, so, no; it's not an option!!
Originally posted by tui too:
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so.. if the case is quite serious and the Vertoryl doesnt work what can you do? (im thinking the worse but is there another option?)
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Umm. Nothing. No.
Originally posted by tui three:
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ACTH stimulation test and dexamethasone suppresion? care to elaborate more?
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No, not really.
Just kidding....
ACTH Stim - take blood; give special drug (not naming it on the internet - PM me if you want to know what it's called); take blood 1.5 hours later. Lab will test for cortisol. If it's up in both cases, animal has Cushings.
Same principle for the dex test except you use a low dose of dexamethasone (uhh, duh!!)
Next question coming up very soon....
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WojBhoy
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Originally posted by djrlewis:
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Horse die of a bad cold, so, no; it's not an option!!
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Umm. Nothing. No.
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No, not really.
Just kidding....
ACTH Stim - take blood; give special drug (not naming it on the internet - PM me if you want to know what it's called); take blood 1.5 hours later. Lab will test for cortisol. If it's up in both cases, animal has Cushings.
Same principle for the dex test except you use a low dose of dexamethasone (uhh, duh!!)
Next question coming up very soon....
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And now it is clear why this is your's and NIkki's vet topic! My only piece of trivia concerning vetinary work was picked up from Dick Francis novels! Selenium causes physical deformities in a new born foal if the mother is given selenium products during pregnancy and cortisone cream should never be applied to an open wound because the wound will never heal but just form an ulcer (although I think that applies to most living organisms...). And apologies, that's TWO pieces of trivia lol...
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djrlewis
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Originally posted by WojBhoy:
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And now it is clear why this is your's and NIkki's vet topic! My only piece of trivia concerning vetinary work was picked up from Dick Francis novels! Selenium causes physical deformities in a new born foal if the mother is given selenium products during pregnancy and cortisone cream should never be applied to an open wound because the wound will never heal but just form an ulcer (although I think that applies to most living organisms...). And apologies, that's TWO pieces of trivia lol...
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Two very good ones though 
Bizarrely, selenium deficiency can cause issues too...
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WojBhoy
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Originally posted by djrlewis:
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Two very good ones though
Bizarrely, selenium deficiency can cause issues too...
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We should cite this as why reading is beneficial to the human mind, rather than the way it's being promoted in schools etc.
What does the correct amount of selenium actually do for horses then?
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djrlewis
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Originally posted by WojBhoy:
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We should cite this as why reading is beneficial to the human mind, rather than the way it's being promoted in schools etc.
What does the correct amount of selenium actually do for horses then?
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Helps the muscles work. Be deficient and they'll fall over. Same for calves and lambs.
Too much and; well, you've covered that...
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WojBhoy
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Originally posted by djrlewis:
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Helps the muscles work. Be deficient and they'll fall over. Same for calves and lambs.
Too much and; well, you've covered that...
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Ah I see...is that the same for all mammals or just horses (equine species etc., I would say the Latin but I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to what it is lol...)
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djrlewis
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Originally posted by WojBhoy:
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Ah I see...is that the same for all mammals or just horses (equine species etc., I would say the Latin but I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to what it is lol...)
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Certainly equine, bovine and ovine. Unsure after that. Don't see it in canines and felines to my knowledge.
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WojBhoy
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Originally posted by djrlewis:
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Certainly equine, bovine and ovine. Unsure after that. Don't see it in canines and felines to my knowledge.
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What about humans? I remember some random thing about selenium being good for one's hair or something, but other than that I'm not sure. It's amazing to think how crucial the balance of chemicals in an organism is to it's quality of life...
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Makes sense though.. thank you Dan it really means alot to explain it all to me even though you're probably bored shitless doing it 
